1 00:00:13,542 --> 00:00:16,000 [sirens wailing] 2 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:17,417 - The medical examiner-- 3 00:00:17,542 --> 00:00:20,125 it was something that he's never, ever seen before. 4 00:00:20,208 --> 00:00:22,833 - Tonight on "The First 48: Critical Minutes..." 5 00:00:22,958 --> 00:00:24,750 - Maybe they're trying to cover up DNA. 6 00:00:24,833 --> 00:00:27,000 - We revisit three cases where forensic evidence 7 00:00:27,167 --> 00:00:28,750 was the break detectives needed... 8 00:00:28,875 --> 00:00:31,458 - Whoever's doing that is a sick dude. 9 00:00:31,542 --> 00:00:33,583 - A woman found murdered in a dumpster. 10 00:00:33,708 --> 00:00:34,667 - If you look... 11 00:00:36,208 --> 00:00:37,750 - And the DNA doesn't lie. 12 00:00:37,875 --> 00:00:39,167 - There's going to be DNA 13 00:00:39,292 --> 00:00:41,708 that's going to link him to this. 14 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:43,000 - Then-- - Look. 15 00:00:43,125 --> 00:00:44,458 See this footprint right here? 16 00:00:44,542 --> 00:00:46,458 - Detectives debunk the suspect's story 17 00:00:46,542 --> 00:00:48,417 with a footprint at the crime scene. 18 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:56,542 - And fingerprints are the old-school method 19 00:00:56,708 --> 00:00:58,042 used to track down a killer. 20 00:00:58,125 --> 00:00:59,875 - His prints were on the Gatorade bottle. 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,083 - Are you [bleep] me? 22 00:01:01,208 --> 00:01:02,875 - No, I just got the results back just now. 23 00:01:02,958 --> 00:01:04,000 All right. Let's get him. 24 00:01:04,167 --> 00:01:08,458 [doors slamming] 25 00:01:08,542 --> 00:01:11,375 [dramatic music] 26 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:18,417 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:28,875 --> 00:01:31,833 [tense music] 28 00:01:31,875 --> 00:01:37,000 ♪ ♪ 29 00:01:37,125 --> 00:01:38,167 - A good crime scene technician is worth 30 00:01:38,292 --> 00:01:39,917 his weight in gold. 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,208 When you go to trial, you only have one shot to get it right. 32 00:01:43,333 --> 00:01:46,083 So detectives and prosecutors want to feel very, 33 00:01:46,208 --> 00:01:47,917 very confident having a lot of strong forensics 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,667 to present to a jury. 35 00:01:49,792 --> 00:01:51,208 A witness can change his story. 36 00:01:51,333 --> 00:01:54,000 A witness can disappear. 37 00:01:54,042 --> 00:01:56,167 Witnesses die before trial sometimes. 38 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:59,000 But the forensics never change. 39 00:01:59,083 --> 00:02:00,667 ♪ ♪ 40 00:02:00,708 --> 00:02:02,625 [radio chatter] 41 00:02:09,750 --> 00:02:13,458 ♪ ♪ 42 00:02:20,792 --> 00:02:24,458 ♪ ♪ 43 00:02:24,583 --> 00:02:26,333 - Flip-flops. 44 00:02:26,458 --> 00:02:28,708 A shirt. 45 00:02:28,792 --> 00:02:32,458 ♪ ♪ 46 00:02:32,542 --> 00:02:34,125 - Did she have any clothes on? 47 00:02:37,708 --> 00:02:38,833 ♪ ♪ 48 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,500 - She's in there. 49 00:02:40,583 --> 00:02:44,000 ♪ ♪ 50 00:02:44,083 --> 00:02:46,625 - Oh. 51 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:49,583 That's pretty bad. 52 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:53,542 She's face down. 53 00:02:53,625 --> 00:02:56,083 She's dark-headed. 54 00:02:56,208 --> 00:03:00,125 Nude for what we can see. 55 00:03:02,167 --> 00:03:04,333 - No. 56 00:03:04,417 --> 00:03:07,042 - What do you think, Jason? 57 00:03:07,208 --> 00:03:10,833 - It could be a sexual assault kind of situation. 58 00:03:10,875 --> 00:03:12,333 I-- I don't know. 59 00:03:12,458 --> 00:03:13,542 But I was thinking about that guy that 60 00:03:13,708 --> 00:03:16,167 raped that homeless lady a mile from here 61 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:18,500 two weeks ago. 62 00:03:18,583 --> 00:03:20,833 Assaulted her. 63 00:03:20,917 --> 00:03:23,667 - Hopefully, if there is some sort of sexual assault, 64 00:03:23,792 --> 00:03:27,500 we will get some sort of, uh, DNA evidence. 65 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:30,833 Hopefully she's got something on her hands, and-- 66 00:03:30,875 --> 00:03:35,167 and-- and on her body, that-- if that is the case. 67 00:03:35,250 --> 00:03:38,167 [tense music] 68 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:45,375 ♪ ♪ 69 00:03:46,542 --> 00:03:47,917 - All right. So this house right here-- 70 00:03:48,042 --> 00:03:48,958 - Yeah. 71 00:03:49,042 --> 00:03:51,250 - Across the street... 72 00:03:51,333 --> 00:03:52,917 - A bunch of homeless hang out there. 73 00:03:53,042 --> 00:03:56,583 - Yeah. 74 00:03:59,083 --> 00:04:00,667 - Oh, look. Some hospital papers. 75 00:04:00,792 --> 00:04:06,958 ♪ ♪ 76 00:04:10,208 --> 00:04:13,333 [camera shutter clicks] 77 00:04:16,708 --> 00:04:19,625 [radio chatter] 78 00:04:25,083 --> 00:04:27,375 - Yeah, Amy Robertson. 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,167 Here we go. 80 00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:33,917 ♪ ♪ 81 00:04:34,042 --> 00:04:39,375 - 43-year-old Amy Robertson was born and raised in Tulsa. 82 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:43,167 She had been living on the street for the past few years. 83 00:04:43,208 --> 00:04:44,958 ♪ ♪ 84 00:04:45,125 --> 00:04:46,208 - [sighs] 85 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:47,500 - Dianna. - Yeah? 86 00:04:50,292 --> 00:04:51,875 - Monkey and Amy are an item. 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,167 They fight a lot. They were fighting yesterday. 88 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:59,125 ♪ ♪ 89 00:04:59,208 --> 00:05:01,000 - We're looking for Monkey. 90 00:05:01,167 --> 00:05:04,500 - Patrol runs the name found on the prescription slip. 91 00:05:04,583 --> 00:05:07,333 ♪ ♪ 92 00:05:07,458 --> 00:05:10,833 - Gumercindo Jurado. 93 00:05:10,958 --> 00:05:13,833 Sounds like the guy that they were describing. 94 00:05:13,958 --> 00:05:15,167 - You got a picture? 95 00:05:15,292 --> 00:05:17,042 The homeless people know Monkey. 96 00:05:17,208 --> 00:05:19,917 They're more than happy to help. 97 00:05:20,042 --> 00:05:23,875 - OK. Is this Monkey? 98 00:05:23,958 --> 00:05:27,583 - Sergeant Walker shares the lead with the press. 99 00:05:27,708 --> 00:05:30,750 - The more people we have looking, the better. 100 00:05:30,875 --> 00:05:32,208 ♪ ♪ 101 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:34,042 - Then-- 102 00:05:36,542 --> 00:05:39,542 - A patrol officer recognizes Gumercindo. 103 00:05:44,125 --> 00:05:47,833 ♪ ♪ 104 00:05:47,875 --> 00:05:52,167 [sirens wailing] 105 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:56,417 ♪ ♪ 106 00:05:56,542 --> 00:05:59,167 - Sure enough. He's in custody. 107 00:05:59,333 --> 00:06:01,667 [radio chatter] 108 00:06:01,792 --> 00:06:04,458 ♪ ♪ 109 00:06:04,542 --> 00:06:06,583 - Back at Homicide... 110 00:06:16,125 --> 00:06:18,958 - And then on this leg right here, 111 00:06:19,042 --> 00:06:24,833 we swabbed those contusions hoping for some DNA. 112 00:06:24,958 --> 00:06:26,333 ♪ ♪ 113 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:27,750 - How was she killed? 114 00:06:27,875 --> 00:06:31,000 - Uh, probably strangulation was the ultimate method. 115 00:06:31,167 --> 00:06:32,417 ♪ ♪ 116 00:06:32,583 --> 00:06:34,167 It seems like there's a whole lot of-- 117 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:36,042 whole lot of anger in that, Dave. 118 00:06:36,167 --> 00:06:37,208 ♪ ♪ 119 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:40,625 Strangulation is very personal. 120 00:06:40,708 --> 00:06:44,667 ♪ ♪ 121 00:06:44,708 --> 00:06:46,542 - Are you and Amy hooked up? 122 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:48,333 - Yeah. Well, I gave her-- - Boyfriend, girlfriend? 123 00:06:48,417 --> 00:06:52,667 - Yes. I give her a ring yesterday morning. 124 00:06:52,833 --> 00:06:54,167 - How'd that go? 125 00:06:54,292 --> 00:06:57,000 - Well, she-- I went to work, and she-- she was-- she's-- 126 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:59,917 she was waiting for me over there at the Shell station. 127 00:07:00,042 --> 00:07:03,458 - He claims he last saw Amy yesterday 128 00:07:03,542 --> 00:07:05,208 after he got off work. 129 00:07:05,375 --> 00:07:07,000 ♪ ♪ 130 00:07:07,125 --> 00:07:09,875 - And, uh-- 131 00:07:14,208 --> 00:07:15,875 - What time was that, do you think? 132 00:07:23,042 --> 00:07:25,125 - Did you spend the night there last night? 133 00:07:25,208 --> 00:07:27,458 - Yes, I did. By myself. 134 00:07:27,542 --> 00:07:30,292 I drank, uh, two beers, and I went to sleep. 135 00:07:30,375 --> 00:07:33,167 - Did you get any phone calls overnight? 136 00:07:33,250 --> 00:07:34,375 - No. - Hmm. 137 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:36,500 - I didn't hear the phone ringing. 138 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,125 - You don't mind if I look at your phone? 139 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:40,542 - No. You go ahead. 140 00:07:40,625 --> 00:07:41,708 - Let me ask you this. 141 00:07:41,875 --> 00:07:43,625 Because we're here to help Amy, right? 142 00:07:43,750 --> 00:07:45,125 And you're here to help Amy, too. 143 00:07:45,208 --> 00:07:46,333 - Yes, yes, yes, I-- - OK. 144 00:07:46,542 --> 00:07:49,208 For me to go all in with you, I got to ask you this. 145 00:07:49,375 --> 00:07:50,833 Did you hurt her today? - No, man. 146 00:07:50,917 --> 00:07:53,083 - Do you hurt her yesterday? - No. 147 00:07:53,167 --> 00:07:54,583 I never hurt her. 148 00:07:54,708 --> 00:07:55,833 - Do you ever hit her at all, ever? 149 00:07:55,917 --> 00:07:56,958 - No, no. 150 00:07:57,167 --> 00:07:59,292 I wouldn't-- I wouldn't do anything to Amy-- to Amy. 151 00:07:59,417 --> 00:08:01,625 She loves me, man. 152 00:08:01,708 --> 00:08:04,667 And I tell you one thing, I love her back. 153 00:08:04,708 --> 00:08:06,500 I want to get justice, trust me. 154 00:08:06,542 --> 00:08:08,458 ♪ ♪ 155 00:08:08,542 --> 00:08:10,667 - I might get some DNA from you real quick. 156 00:08:10,792 --> 00:08:12,542 ♪ ♪ 157 00:08:12,667 --> 00:08:15,125 - The suspect gave consent to examine his phone, 158 00:08:15,208 --> 00:08:16,042 so we're just going through it. 159 00:08:16,167 --> 00:08:23,125 ♪ ♪ 160 00:08:26,542 --> 00:08:28,917 - And one of the things he tells us is that he hadn't 161 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:32,167 seen the victim since, I want to say, 5:00 or 6:00 162 00:08:32,208 --> 00:08:34,500 in the evening yesterday. 163 00:08:34,583 --> 00:08:37,625 Well, he's got pictures of her on his phone 164 00:08:37,708 --> 00:08:41,833 after dark on the parking lot out there. 165 00:08:41,917 --> 00:08:46,000 ♪ ♪ 166 00:08:46,167 --> 00:08:48,083 [door opens] 167 00:08:48,208 --> 00:08:52,583 So when you left the Shell yesterday evening, 168 00:08:52,583 --> 00:08:55,167 what time did you leave? 169 00:08:55,292 --> 00:08:56,500 - Before dark. - Before dark? 170 00:08:56,625 --> 00:08:59,333 - Mm-hmm. 171 00:08:59,458 --> 00:09:01,417 - You remember this? 172 00:09:01,542 --> 00:09:03,250 - Nope. I don't see-- I didn't see none of that. 173 00:09:03,375 --> 00:09:04,625 None. 174 00:09:04,833 --> 00:09:09,750 - You took these pictures with your phone last night 175 00:09:09,875 --> 00:09:12,458 after 9:00 at the Shell station. 176 00:09:12,542 --> 00:09:15,000 - That's Amy. - That's Amy. 177 00:09:15,167 --> 00:09:19,500 It's time to come off the bull crap and tell the truth. 178 00:09:19,667 --> 00:09:22,375 If she left at 6:00, how are you taking pictures 179 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:24,500 of her at 9:00? 180 00:09:24,583 --> 00:09:25,958 - I don't remember doing that. 181 00:09:26,042 --> 00:09:28,792 ♪ ♪ 182 00:09:33,875 --> 00:09:37,333 - If you don't remember doing that, 183 00:09:37,458 --> 00:09:39,875 what else don't you remember? 184 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,333 - I don't know. 185 00:09:41,458 --> 00:09:44,042 But I got to tell you, I didn't do that. 186 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:51,083 ♪ ♪ 187 00:09:53,542 --> 00:09:55,542 - [groans] 188 00:09:56,792 --> 00:09:59,167 - Do you think there's going to be DNA that's 189 00:09:59,292 --> 00:10:02,083 going to link him to this? 190 00:10:02,208 --> 00:10:03,750 - I think so. 191 00:10:03,833 --> 00:10:05,542 How long is it going to take us to get there, though? 192 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:08,000 It's going to take a while. 193 00:10:08,125 --> 00:10:09,417 - Well, he has a misdemeanor warrant 194 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:11,667 for public intoxication. 195 00:10:14,625 --> 00:10:17,125 There's enough discrepancy that we 196 00:10:17,208 --> 00:10:19,833 can't get him for murder. 197 00:10:21,625 --> 00:10:23,625 - We need to keep an open mind. 198 00:10:23,708 --> 00:10:25,833 Because if it's not this guy, then who is it? 199 00:10:27,875 --> 00:10:34,875 ♪ ♪ 200 00:10:38,042 --> 00:10:40,042 - I got a call from the medical examiner. 201 00:10:40,125 --> 00:10:41,583 Death is going to be strangulation. 202 00:10:41,708 --> 00:10:43,167 A lot of contusions and-- 203 00:10:43,167 --> 00:10:44,708 and fractures here. 204 00:10:44,792 --> 00:10:47,000 He said it looked like a rape. 205 00:10:47,042 --> 00:10:52,417 But post-mortem, she was packed with organic matter 206 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:53,792 in both cavities. 207 00:10:53,875 --> 00:10:55,458 - When you say packed with organic matter-- 208 00:10:55,542 --> 00:10:58,917 - Dirt, mulch, debris. 209 00:10:59,042 --> 00:11:00,708 - Meaning somebody put it in her? 210 00:11:00,833 --> 00:11:02,875 - Purposely put it in there. 211 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,833 - Whoever's doing that is a sick dude. 212 00:11:05,917 --> 00:11:08,167 - But here-- here's the thing. 213 00:11:08,292 --> 00:11:09,667 Why are they doing it? 214 00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:10,833 Are they doing it to-- thinking they're going 215 00:11:10,917 --> 00:11:13,208 to cover up what they did? 216 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:14,708 - The medical examiner-- 217 00:11:14,833 --> 00:11:18,042 it was something that he's never, ever seen before. 218 00:11:18,125 --> 00:11:19,500 His theory was, yeah, maybe they're 219 00:11:19,625 --> 00:11:21,375 trying to cover up DNA, maybe they're 220 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,167 trying to kind of hide things. 221 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:30,167 ♪ ♪ 222 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:33,417 - 33 hours in... 223 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:34,458 - Here's Jill. 224 00:11:34,583 --> 00:11:35,958 - Have a seat. 225 00:11:36,042 --> 00:11:38,375 - The team meets with Sergeant Jillian Phippen 226 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:40,958 of the Special Victims Unit. 227 00:11:41,042 --> 00:11:43,083 - I've got some video from a rape case 228 00:11:43,208 --> 00:11:44,625 that we've been working. 229 00:11:44,708 --> 00:11:46,125 It occurred about two weeks ago 230 00:11:46,250 --> 00:11:49,583 less than a mile from your murder. 231 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:54,042 This is our suspect in the silver Lincoln. 232 00:11:54,125 --> 00:11:57,958 So he's here with his lights off. 233 00:11:58,083 --> 00:11:59,208 ♪ ♪ 234 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:01,625 This is the victim. 235 00:12:01,708 --> 00:12:06,167 He's watching her. 236 00:12:06,292 --> 00:12:10,000 So he's going to shoot across the street here. 237 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,500 - Was she a homeless, like, street-person type? 238 00:12:11,583 --> 00:12:12,750 - She is. 239 00:12:12,875 --> 00:12:16,042 And this is where he forces sex. 240 00:12:16,125 --> 00:12:19,167 ♪ ♪ 241 00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:23,167 And then he drags her off to another location. 242 00:12:23,292 --> 00:12:26,625 ♪ ♪ 243 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:29,958 This could be a good suspect for you guys. 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,542 - We have oral swabs of hers. 245 00:12:34,667 --> 00:12:35,833 And that's what we're waiting for 246 00:12:35,917 --> 00:12:38,250 to see if there's actual profile. 247 00:12:39,542 --> 00:12:40,667 - I think the best thing we probably 248 00:12:40,792 --> 00:12:42,167 have to go on right now. 249 00:12:42,208 --> 00:12:45,625 Let's get a rush on the DNA and see if there's 250 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:47,167 a connection between the two. 251 00:12:47,208 --> 00:12:54,125 ♪ ♪ 252 00:12:55,625 --> 00:12:57,167 [phone rings] 253 00:12:57,250 --> 00:12:58,833 - Hey, what's up? 254 00:12:58,875 --> 00:13:00,708 - Three weeks since the murder... 255 00:13:01,375 --> 00:13:05,000 - I tested swabs from the contusions, 256 00:13:05,083 --> 00:13:09,167 the ligature, and I have an unknown male. 257 00:13:11,375 --> 00:13:16,167 And it's none of the people that you provided samples of. 258 00:13:16,208 --> 00:13:19,333 - The suspect DNA recovered from Amy 259 00:13:19,375 --> 00:13:22,542 does not match her boyfriend or the unidentified rapist 260 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:24,208 from the video. 261 00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:27,833 - OK. Well, maybe CODIS will pop a name out for us. 262 00:13:27,917 --> 00:13:30,875 - Hopefully. 263 00:13:30,958 --> 00:13:32,750 - It's somebody completely-- 264 00:13:32,875 --> 00:13:34,250 - Unknown to us right now. 265 00:13:34,375 --> 00:13:36,042 - At the moment. 266 00:13:36,167 --> 00:13:37,917 There's enough of a sample that they can enter 267 00:13:38,042 --> 00:13:41,000 that into CODIS, and we'll see if there's 268 00:13:41,125 --> 00:13:42,667 a-- if there's a hit. 269 00:13:42,750 --> 00:13:44,833 ♪ ♪ 270 00:13:44,917 --> 00:13:46,458 All of these individuals, they get swabbed, 271 00:13:46,542 --> 00:13:47,625 they go into prison. 272 00:13:47,708 --> 00:13:50,917 The DNA gets fed into the database. 273 00:13:51,042 --> 00:13:52,000 It's one of those things that we'll 274 00:13:52,083 --> 00:13:53,375 just have to wait and see. 275 00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:56,583 Could be a month, could be a few months. 276 00:13:56,708 --> 00:13:59,208 But I'm optimistic. 277 00:13:59,292 --> 00:14:01,458 I'm excited to meet the devil that did this. 278 00:14:01,542 --> 00:14:06,750 ♪ ♪ 279 00:14:06,833 --> 00:14:08,167 - Sometimes it can take a long time 280 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:10,250 for DNA evidence to come back, 281 00:14:10,375 --> 00:14:12,250 and it's excruciating. 282 00:14:12,375 --> 00:14:14,042 And it's a horrible feeling to know 283 00:14:14,167 --> 00:14:16,375 that the person that's responsible for this 284 00:14:16,458 --> 00:14:18,083 is still walking around. 285 00:14:18,208 --> 00:14:19,917 And it's horrible for the family, 286 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,583 and they put a lot of pressure on law enforcement. 287 00:14:21,708 --> 00:14:23,375 "Why are you not doing anything?" 288 00:14:23,458 --> 00:14:24,833 But I can tell you from my experience 289 00:14:24,958 --> 00:14:26,833 that it is the most rewarding thing when it-- 290 00:14:26,917 --> 00:14:28,667 when it does finally come back. 291 00:14:28,708 --> 00:14:30,792 ♪ ♪ 292 00:14:30,875 --> 00:14:35,000 [clock ticking] 293 00:14:35,125 --> 00:14:37,542 - One year after Amy's murder.. 294 00:14:37,625 --> 00:14:39,333 - We got a message from the lab. 295 00:14:39,417 --> 00:14:42,167 Liz Egan of the Special Victims Unit called me, 296 00:14:42,292 --> 00:14:44,375 and she said that they had a guy that they 297 00:14:44,542 --> 00:14:46,000 had arrested for a rape. 298 00:14:46,042 --> 00:14:48,208 He was convicted of first-degree rape 299 00:14:48,208 --> 00:14:51,083 on that particular case, and they got his DNA. 300 00:14:51,208 --> 00:14:53,000 She thought that he might be a good match 301 00:14:53,125 --> 00:14:54,958 for the Amy Robertson case. 302 00:14:55,042 --> 00:14:57,417 So I went ahead and took the DNA 303 00:14:57,542 --> 00:15:00,167 that they collected from him on that particular case 304 00:15:00,292 --> 00:15:01,958 and had it compared to our case. 305 00:15:02,083 --> 00:15:03,958 And it turns out it's a match. 306 00:15:04,042 --> 00:15:06,708 Got DNA on both of her legs and the ligature 307 00:15:06,792 --> 00:15:08,250 that's around her neck. 308 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:09,500 [radio chatter] 309 00:15:09,583 --> 00:15:10,750 - What's his name? 310 00:15:10,875 --> 00:15:12,792 - Dennis. 311 00:15:12,875 --> 00:15:15,500 Dennis Kurtz. 312 00:15:15,667 --> 00:15:18,500 - Oh my god. This is so great. 313 00:15:18,583 --> 00:15:25,125 ♪ ♪ 314 00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:30,208 - We're headed to the prison to talk to Dennis Kurtz. 315 00:15:30,208 --> 00:15:33,250 Hopefully he's going to tell us the truth, 316 00:15:33,375 --> 00:15:37,417 some sort of an explanation why his DNA is on Amy. 317 00:15:37,542 --> 00:15:39,833 A lot is riding on this. 318 00:15:39,917 --> 00:15:45,250 ♪ ♪ 319 00:15:45,333 --> 00:15:47,917 All right. 320 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,167 ♪ ♪ 321 00:15:54,208 --> 00:15:57,167 - You ever had sex with her? 322 00:16:00,708 --> 00:16:02,708 - Well, this girl had been murdered. 323 00:16:02,875 --> 00:16:04,667 - [gasps] 324 00:16:04,875 --> 00:16:06,167 - Yeah. 325 00:16:06,250 --> 00:16:09,208 And your DNA is all over her. 326 00:16:17,875 --> 00:16:19,042 There is no way. 327 00:16:19,125 --> 00:16:20,333 - Your DNA, man, is definitive. 328 00:16:20,375 --> 00:16:21,333 - OK. 329 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:22,667 - There's nobody else on the planet. 330 00:16:22,833 --> 00:16:24,667 - I understand what DNA is. 331 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:27,750 - So why would it be on her if you didn't kill her? 332 00:16:27,833 --> 00:16:30,292 - There's not an explanation. 333 00:16:30,375 --> 00:16:33,458 I don't have an explanation for you. 334 00:16:36,250 --> 00:16:39,167 - The suspect could sit there and say all day long 335 00:16:39,292 --> 00:16:40,667 that I'm not the person, I'm not the person, 336 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:42,042 I'm not the person. 337 00:16:42,208 --> 00:16:43,875 Going to be pretty difficult for him to explain why 338 00:16:44,042 --> 00:16:46,542 his DNA was recovered, especially from inside 339 00:16:46,625 --> 00:16:48,292 of a victim's body. 340 00:16:48,292 --> 00:16:50,167 When you had no witness account, no video, 341 00:16:50,250 --> 00:16:52,000 nothing else to rely on, 342 00:16:52,083 --> 00:16:54,667 when you get a hit, it's one of the most 343 00:16:54,792 --> 00:16:57,667 rewarding things for a homicide investigator to get. 344 00:16:57,792 --> 00:17:00,125 ♪ ♪ 345 00:17:00,250 --> 00:17:02,458 - Before I file charges against him, 346 00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:04,875 I'd like to go speak with his wife 347 00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:06,375 and see if maybe he confided in her, 348 00:17:06,458 --> 00:17:09,333 or if she has any information. 349 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:12,917 Hopefully she's going to want to join team Tulsa. 350 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:19,625 ♪ ♪ 351 00:17:19,625 --> 00:17:23,667 - The next day... 352 00:17:27,708 --> 00:17:28,958 - I appreciate you meeting with me, first of all. 353 00:17:29,083 --> 00:17:31,292 - Not a problem. 354 00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:33,750 - I work in the Homicide unit, and I'm working a case that 355 00:17:33,875 --> 00:17:38,167 happened in April of 2017. 356 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:42,250 - I believe he was going downtown 357 00:17:42,333 --> 00:17:45,125 for a job of some sort. 358 00:17:45,208 --> 00:17:49,292 He had a dress shirt on. 359 00:17:49,458 --> 00:17:50,625 ♪ ♪ 360 00:17:50,792 --> 00:17:55,458 Later on, I met him, and he had a different shirt on. 361 00:17:55,583 --> 00:17:57,083 ♪ ♪ 362 00:17:57,250 --> 00:18:00,000 And he said, "I had to get a different shirt. 363 00:18:00,167 --> 00:18:01,875 "Because, you know, the other one had blood on it, 364 00:18:02,042 --> 00:18:04,292 and it wasn't my blood." 365 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,542 - OK. 366 00:18:05,625 --> 00:18:07,167 ♪ ♪ 367 00:18:07,208 --> 00:18:10,542 This case that I'm working happened here in Tulsa. 368 00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:11,583 - Is it a female? 369 00:18:11,708 --> 00:18:13,333 - It is. 370 00:18:13,458 --> 00:18:15,042 It is. 371 00:18:15,125 --> 00:18:18,667 And his DNA is all over her. 372 00:18:18,750 --> 00:18:20,000 - Oh. 373 00:18:20,042 --> 00:18:22,167 - She was a, uh, mother and grandmother, 374 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:26,458 and she was dumped in a dumpster. 375 00:18:26,542 --> 00:18:33,333 ♪ ♪ 376 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:35,333 - [sobbing] 377 00:18:35,458 --> 00:18:42,500 ♪ ♪ 378 00:18:42,542 --> 00:18:43,833 - It's a lot of vital information 379 00:18:43,958 --> 00:18:45,708 that definitely brings a much clearer 380 00:18:45,833 --> 00:18:49,708 picture as to what he had been up to in the month of April. 381 00:18:49,833 --> 00:18:53,333 When you take that in addition to the DNA evidence there, 382 00:18:53,417 --> 00:18:55,000 it's really telling the story. 383 00:18:55,083 --> 00:19:02,208 ♪ ♪ 384 00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:34,208 ♪ ♪ 385 00:19:34,292 --> 00:19:37,500 - Don't know who he is, so we're going to go find out. 386 00:19:37,583 --> 00:19:44,542 ♪ ♪ 387 00:19:57,750 --> 00:20:04,708 ♪ ♪ 388 00:20:10,792 --> 00:20:12,292 - He's pretty well-dressed, 389 00:20:12,375 --> 00:20:14,833 He's very clean-cut. 390 00:20:14,917 --> 00:20:18,167 ♪ ♪ 391 00:20:18,292 --> 00:20:19,667 Our wallet's missing? 392 00:20:19,792 --> 00:20:22,000 - It's gone, huh? 393 00:20:22,167 --> 00:20:24,167 - No IDs or anything. 394 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:25,542 Married. Got a ring on. 395 00:20:25,708 --> 00:20:28,000 ♪ ♪ 396 00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:28,958 So somebody's missing him. 397 00:20:29,042 --> 00:20:31,125 ♪ ♪ 398 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:35,000 - The victim is a Hispanic male in his early 30s. 399 00:20:35,125 --> 00:20:37,458 ♪ ♪ 400 00:20:37,542 --> 00:20:40,750 - Payday on Friday, been working all week. 401 00:20:40,833 --> 00:20:42,208 Big old bundle of money. 402 00:20:42,292 --> 00:20:43,333 He's just a target. 403 00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:45,167 So I think he was robbed. 404 00:20:45,250 --> 00:20:47,500 - He's probably been out here all night. 405 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:49,375 - The medical examiner determines 406 00:20:49,458 --> 00:20:51,792 that the victim was killed by a gunshot 407 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,250 to the back of the head. 408 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:55,958 - Oh, but look. 409 00:20:56,042 --> 00:20:57,875 See this footprint right here? 410 00:20:58,042 --> 00:21:02,667 - Alanis notices a faint mark on the victim's back. 411 00:21:02,750 --> 00:21:05,625 - It's not real distinct, but it's something there. 412 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,458 - [exhales] 413 00:21:13,625 --> 00:21:15,125 - 9, 10. 414 00:21:15,208 --> 00:21:18,792 - The print appears to be from a size 10 shoe or boot 415 00:21:18,875 --> 00:21:20,167 with a distinct heel. 416 00:21:20,333 --> 00:21:23,583 ♪ ♪ 417 00:21:23,667 --> 00:21:25,500 - We'll try to see if we can cut it out 418 00:21:25,542 --> 00:21:26,708 so we can preserve it. 419 00:21:26,833 --> 00:21:28,083 ♪ ♪ 420 00:21:28,208 --> 00:21:29,000 - Good job, Joe. 421 00:21:29,167 --> 00:21:31,000 ♪ ♪ 422 00:21:31,167 --> 00:21:32,667 - You can see some pattern. 423 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,667 Right now, it's about all we have. 424 00:21:34,708 --> 00:21:41,667 ♪ ♪ 425 00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:51,500 - The next morning... 426 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:54,500 [phone rings] 427 00:21:54,583 --> 00:21:56,875 - Homicide, Alanis. 428 00:21:56,958 --> 00:21:58,583 You got him identified? 429 00:21:58,667 --> 00:22:00,875 Excellent. 430 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,292 - Alanis gets some good news. 431 00:22:04,417 --> 00:22:05,583 - The medical examiners was able 432 00:22:05,583 --> 00:22:06,833 to compare the fingerprints, 433 00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:11,333 and they identified him as Jose Ojeda. 434 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:15,500 - 31-year-old Jose Ojeda worked as a bartender. 435 00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:18,375 He was married and the father of three young children 436 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,500 with a fourth on the way. 437 00:22:21,625 --> 00:22:27,667 ♪ ♪ 438 00:22:27,792 --> 00:22:30,833 - We're heading to speak with his wife, Rosa. 439 00:22:30,917 --> 00:22:33,333 The fact that you have to go and tell somebody 440 00:22:33,417 --> 00:22:35,708 that their loved one's dead-- 441 00:22:35,875 --> 00:22:37,375 the emotion. 442 00:22:37,542 --> 00:22:41,583 This is the worst part of the whole investigative process. 443 00:22:41,667 --> 00:22:45,625 ♪ ♪ 444 00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:47,833 [knocking] 445 00:22:47,917 --> 00:22:54,875 ♪ ♪ 446 00:23:09,542 --> 00:23:11,500 - Hey, Sean. I need you to run this number for me. 447 00:23:11,583 --> 00:23:13,667 - Alanis calls headquarters hoping 448 00:23:13,792 --> 00:23:15,875 to put a name to the number Jose called 449 00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:18,167 repeatedly the night before. 450 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:19,167 - Comes back to who? 451 00:23:19,208 --> 00:23:21,208 ♪ ♪ 452 00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:23,792 All right, man. Thanks. 453 00:23:23,875 --> 00:23:26,833 Sean says comes back to a Frances Salinas. 454 00:23:26,958 --> 00:23:28,500 ♪ ♪ 455 00:23:28,583 --> 00:23:32,167 - The phone number is linked to a woman's name. 456 00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:34,500 ♪ ♪ 457 00:23:34,583 --> 00:23:36,875 - The person the victim called last 458 00:23:36,958 --> 00:23:40,375 canceled this prepaid phone the day after the murder. 459 00:23:40,375 --> 00:23:42,542 ♪ ♪ 460 00:23:42,667 --> 00:23:44,667 We have to subpoena the phone records. 461 00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:46,917 And that usually takes time. 462 00:23:59,083 --> 00:24:03,042 ♪ ♪ 463 00:24:11,167 --> 00:24:12,708 - In an unexpected turn, 464 00:24:12,875 --> 00:24:15,542 Jose's brother shows up at Homicide. 465 00:24:15,625 --> 00:24:17,250 - The victim's brother, he wanted to meet me 466 00:24:17,375 --> 00:24:20,000 without the rest of the family knowing. 467 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:22,167 ♪ ♪ 468 00:24:27,375 --> 00:24:30,750 ♪ ♪ 469 00:24:55,208 --> 00:24:58,667 - So he's got that secret life we talk about. 470 00:24:58,833 --> 00:25:00,375 But you know, if you think about this-- 471 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:04,708 the lover is going to kill him, but he robs him? 472 00:25:04,792 --> 00:25:07,667 ♪ ♪ 473 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:09,833 - We believe that the last person Jose called 474 00:25:09,958 --> 00:25:12,042 is probably going to be our suspect. 475 00:25:12,125 --> 00:25:15,833 Right now, all I have is our suspect's phone number, 476 00:25:15,917 --> 00:25:19,000 and I'm waiting on the phone records to come in. 477 00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:28,000 ♪ ♪ 478 00:25:40,042 --> 00:25:47,042 ♪ ♪ 479 00:26:08,125 --> 00:26:10,917 - Zapata says that on the night of the murder, 480 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,292 he made a date with the victim to meet at a gas station. 481 00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:23,792 - He claims he got into Jose's car 482 00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:27,875 and was surprised when another man got in at the same time. 483 00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:41,833 - Zapata says he grabbed the other man's gun 484 00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:43,708 and turned toward Jose. 485 00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:57,167 ♪ ♪ 486 00:26:57,333 --> 00:27:00,833 - He says he shot at the men in self-defense. 487 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:01,833 - OK. 488 00:27:01,958 --> 00:27:04,167 And-- 489 00:27:07,542 --> 00:27:14,667 ♪ ♪ 490 00:27:22,208 --> 00:27:26,708 - Alanis tells Zapata that Jose was not shot by accident 491 00:27:26,792 --> 00:27:28,125 but was executed. 492 00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:39,417 ♪ ♪ 493 00:27:39,542 --> 00:27:42,292 - Zapata changes his story. 494 00:28:03,208 --> 00:28:06,042 - He says that he and Hernandez are roommates. 495 00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:12,458 ♪ ♪ 496 00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:14,958 - He was lying, and we're going to get to the bottom of it. 497 00:28:15,042 --> 00:28:17,833 - Juan says that his buddy shot the victim. 498 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,625 Right now, we're going to go find, uh, our second suspect 499 00:28:21,708 --> 00:28:24,500 and see what he has to say. 500 00:28:24,583 --> 00:28:27,292 - As a homicide investigator, when you get a case like this 501 00:28:27,375 --> 00:28:29,875 and the person tries to give a self-serving statement, 502 00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:32,375 it's always been my strategy just to get him 503 00:28:32,458 --> 00:28:34,042 to put himself on the scene. 504 00:28:34,167 --> 00:28:35,583 "I was trying to defend myself." 505 00:28:35,667 --> 00:28:37,125 He's admitting to being on the scene. 506 00:28:37,208 --> 00:28:38,875 Now the only thing you have to work on 507 00:28:39,042 --> 00:28:41,708 is debunking his story about a self-defense case. 508 00:28:41,875 --> 00:28:43,125 A person's been shot in the back of the head, 509 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:44,875 and there's a footprint in his back-- 510 00:28:45,042 --> 00:28:47,042 it basically tells you that he was not a threat. 511 00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:50,375 So it-- it pretty much blows up his self-defense case. 512 00:28:50,542 --> 00:28:57,708 ♪ ♪ 513 00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:16,333 ♪ ♪ 514 00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:20,833 - Hernandez says he waited in the car, 515 00:29:20,958 --> 00:29:23,292 and Zapata led the victim into the field. 516 00:29:23,417 --> 00:29:26,250 ♪ ♪ 517 00:29:37,542 --> 00:29:42,125 ♪ ♪ 518 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:52,167 - OK. 519 00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:57,500 ♪ ♪ 520 00:29:57,583 --> 00:30:01,500 They both already had planned to rob him and kill him. 521 00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:04,750 - He told you that he knew that they were going to go do that. 522 00:30:04,833 --> 00:30:06,917 - Yeah. - He's done. 523 00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:26,833 ♪ ♪ 524 00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:29,542 [line trilling] 525 00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:04,458 ♪ ♪ 526 00:31:04,542 --> 00:31:07,875 - Right now, uh, all we've got is that it sounds 527 00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:09,875 like a home invasion, and an elderly male 528 00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:12,583 has been shot and killed. 529 00:31:12,667 --> 00:31:19,500 ♪ ♪ 530 00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:24,042 - Hey, Kev. 531 00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:31,125 ♪ ♪ 532 00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:40,000 ♪ ♪ 533 00:31:49,042 --> 00:31:51,292 - 80-year-old Jim Rosenlieb was born 534 00:31:51,375 --> 00:31:53,583 in West Virginia and had a long career 535 00:31:53,708 --> 00:31:55,583 in the oil supply business. 536 00:31:55,708 --> 00:31:58,167 During retirement, he was an active volunteer 537 00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:00,167 with Habitat for Humanity. 538 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:02,792 Jim leaves behind his wife, two sons, 539 00:32:02,917 --> 00:32:05,542 and several grandchildren. 540 00:32:18,667 --> 00:32:21,292 [camera shutter clicks] 541 00:32:25,042 --> 00:32:27,333 [camera shutter clicking] 542 00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:30,167 - A window has been smashed out in the guest room 543 00:32:30,250 --> 00:32:33,458 down the hall from where Jim's body was found. 544 00:32:37,208 --> 00:32:39,333 [camera shutter clicking] 545 00:32:42,667 --> 00:32:45,500 - A blood trail leads from the closet in the guest room-- 546 00:32:45,583 --> 00:32:48,583 [camera shutter clicking] 547 00:32:48,708 --> 00:32:51,042 --to where Jim collapsed. 548 00:32:57,167 --> 00:33:00,375 - Nearby, the team finds a Gatorade bottle. 549 00:33:00,458 --> 00:33:01,500 - All right. 550 00:33:01,583 --> 00:33:04,875 Let's get that dusted for prints too. 551 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,500 - When you're processing a homicide scene, 552 00:33:06,583 --> 00:33:08,333 obviously you can't test everything. 553 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,000 You can't fingerprint everything. 554 00:33:10,042 --> 00:33:11,500 You can't get DNA testing on everything. 555 00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:13,667 So you look for the things that don't fit. 556 00:33:13,792 --> 00:33:15,000 You look for the things that just 557 00:33:15,083 --> 00:33:17,292 simply does not make sense. 558 00:33:17,375 --> 00:33:19,208 And in this particular scene, you look and say, 559 00:33:19,292 --> 00:33:21,208 "OK, why would a Gatorade bottle 560 00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,250 "be in the middle of a yard 561 00:33:23,375 --> 00:33:25,208 when there's no other trash there?" 562 00:33:25,292 --> 00:33:26,667 And it kind of stands out to you. 563 00:33:26,792 --> 00:33:27,917 ♪ ♪ 564 00:33:28,042 --> 00:33:29,958 - To me, it looks like a burglary. 565 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:37,167 - Maybe he-- he gets in the window, OK? 566 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:40,792 Hears the victim getting up, hides in the closet 567 00:33:40,875 --> 00:33:42,333 real quick. 568 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:45,458 Old man's investigating, probably with his flashlight. 569 00:33:45,542 --> 00:33:47,875 It's probably his. 570 00:33:47,875 --> 00:33:49,667 Sees him. 571 00:33:49,792 --> 00:33:52,500 Probably said, "Get out of here, get out of here." 572 00:33:52,667 --> 00:33:54,250 Suspect freaks out. 573 00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,292 Boom. 574 00:33:56,417 --> 00:33:57,958 So that's probably what happened. 575 00:33:58,042 --> 00:34:00,917 ♪ ♪ 576 00:34:01,042 --> 00:34:04,333 [camera shutter clicks] 577 00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:09,417 ♪ ♪ 578 00:34:09,542 --> 00:34:11,000 - Hey, Justin. 579 00:34:11,083 --> 00:34:12,750 I need you to check out this tree-trimming service. 580 00:34:12,875 --> 00:34:14,958 [radio beeps] 581 00:34:15,042 --> 00:34:16,625 [line trilling] 582 00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:17,833 - Hey, ma'am. 583 00:34:17,917 --> 00:34:19,333 My name's, uh, Justin Ritter. 584 00:34:19,417 --> 00:34:21,792 I'm a detective with the Tulsa Police Department. 585 00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:29,042 ♪ ♪ 586 00:34:41,083 --> 00:34:42,167 - I have to ask, though, where were you 587 00:34:42,292 --> 00:34:43,917 this morning at, like, 4:00? 588 00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:47,750 ♪ ♪ 589 00:34:47,833 --> 00:34:50,042 - That day, they used Rick. 590 00:34:56,917 --> 00:34:58,458 - What was your feel about him? 591 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,333 - Does he ever answer? 592 00:35:21,542 --> 00:35:23,042 - OK. 593 00:35:23,167 --> 00:35:24,792 I appreciate it. - All right. 594 00:35:24,875 --> 00:35:31,292 ♪ ♪ 595 00:35:31,375 --> 00:35:32,417 - What do you have for us, Joe? 596 00:35:32,542 --> 00:35:33,500 - Corporal Joe Campbell 597 00:35:33,667 --> 00:35:35,917 has news from the medical examiner. 598 00:35:36,042 --> 00:35:37,750 - And he had four bullets in him. 599 00:35:37,875 --> 00:35:41,375 They said there was some red plastic stuff on the tip. 600 00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:45,750 ♪ ♪ 601 00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:47,208 - Here we go. 602 00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:48,500 We've never seen one of these rounds 603 00:35:48,583 --> 00:35:51,542 in one of these murders that I can remember. 604 00:35:51,625 --> 00:35:55,250 It helps with aerodynamics, and it's a really 605 00:35:55,375 --> 00:35:57,167 high-end self-defense round. 606 00:35:57,208 --> 00:36:00,542 So it probably does a lot of damage. 607 00:36:00,708 --> 00:36:01,667 And it's to kill people. 608 00:36:01,833 --> 00:36:04,125 ♪ ♪ 609 00:36:04,292 --> 00:36:06,667 I'm going to submit everything that I've got, 610 00:36:06,667 --> 00:36:07,708 check the phone. 611 00:36:07,833 --> 00:36:09,125 We got so many things going on. 612 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:10,750 It's just crazy. 613 00:36:10,875 --> 00:36:12,625 But we don't have that person that we're looking for yet. 614 00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:19,667 ♪ ♪ 615 00:36:37,708 --> 00:36:39,792 ♪ ♪ 616 00:36:53,333 --> 00:36:55,292 - Ricky the tree trimmer. 617 00:36:55,375 --> 00:36:56,458 On it the whole time, buddy. That's crazy. 618 00:36:56,583 --> 00:36:59,708 - Ricky the tree trimmer. - [laughs] 619 00:36:59,792 --> 00:37:05,583 ♪ ♪ 620 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:07,667 - Rick Davison. 621 00:37:07,792 --> 00:37:11,750 - Ricky Davison is 20 years old. 622 00:37:11,875 --> 00:37:13,667 - All right. Let's get him. 623 00:37:13,792 --> 00:37:16,375 ♪ ♪ 624 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,667 - All right. Let's go. 625 00:37:17,792 --> 00:37:21,542 ♪ ♪ 626 00:37:21,667 --> 00:37:24,833 [sirens wailing] 627 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,167 ♪ ♪ 628 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:29,792 [radio chatter] 629 00:37:29,917 --> 00:37:33,333 ♪ ♪ 630 00:37:55,875 --> 00:37:58,417 [door opens] 631 00:37:58,542 --> 00:38:00,083 - Hey. - How you doing? 632 00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:02,000 - I'm all right, Rick. 633 00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:04,583 I'll make this kind of easy for you. 634 00:38:04,708 --> 00:38:07,583 Did you work at a tree-trimming company? 635 00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:08,667 - Yes. Yes. 636 00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:10,000 - OK. 637 00:38:10,125 --> 00:38:12,125 What was the last place you worked at 638 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:13,500 with that tree-trimming company? 639 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,375 Do you remember the house? 640 00:38:15,458 --> 00:38:17,708 - No, sir. No, sir. 641 00:38:17,792 --> 00:38:20,667 - The people that lived there, they made you guys BLTs. 642 00:38:22,042 --> 00:38:24,208 - You remember that? Because that never happens. 643 00:38:24,292 --> 00:38:27,458 Nobody just comes out and makes sandwiches for the workers. 644 00:38:27,542 --> 00:38:30,333 - And I ate them. I ate them. 645 00:38:30,417 --> 00:38:31,833 - Let's go back. 646 00:38:31,958 --> 00:38:36,917 So a week before Sunday night, where were you? 647 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,875 ♪ ♪ 648 00:38:40,042 --> 00:38:42,167 - Right up the street at a female's place. 649 00:38:42,292 --> 00:38:45,250 That's it. - What's her name? 650 00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:47,583 - [exhales] 651 00:38:47,708 --> 00:38:49,875 This is starting to get weird and uncomfortable. 652 00:38:49,958 --> 00:38:51,167 - It does when you lie. 653 00:38:51,208 --> 00:38:52,667 - I'm not lying, though. 654 00:38:52,708 --> 00:38:54,208 - Listen to me. 655 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:55,833 I want you to just listen to me. 656 00:38:55,917 --> 00:38:58,000 Well, it has something to do with you, because you 657 00:38:58,125 --> 00:38:59,417 shot and killed the man. 658 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,250 - You've told people. 659 00:39:02,375 --> 00:39:04,000 - Told what? 660 00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:06,167 - That you killed the old man. 661 00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:10,042 - I've never even hurt anyone in my life. 662 00:39:10,167 --> 00:39:14,417 - Rick, you could spend the rest of your life in prison. 663 00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:15,500 - That's the thing. 664 00:39:15,625 --> 00:39:18,833 I never burglarized anyone. 665 00:39:18,958 --> 00:39:20,583 And you're-- you're not trying to believe me. 666 00:39:20,708 --> 00:39:21,667 - No, I'm not, 'cause we have evidence. 667 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:22,792 - Because you're full of [bleep]. 668 00:39:22,792 --> 00:39:24,417 - I'm not trying to believe you. 669 00:39:24,542 --> 00:39:26,125 I think you're completely full of [bleep]. 670 00:39:26,292 --> 00:39:28,333 ♪ ♪ 671 00:39:28,417 --> 00:39:30,667 - And I haven't even begun to even 672 00:39:30,667 --> 00:39:32,333 get into a whole-- whole motherlode 673 00:39:32,458 --> 00:39:33,792 of other forensic evidence. 674 00:39:33,917 --> 00:39:35,500 - I've been waiting for that. - No, but wait. 675 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:36,667 I haven't even gotten into-- 676 00:39:36,708 --> 00:39:37,917 - I don't want to smile or nothing. 677 00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:39,333 - No, I want you to-- no, listen. 678 00:39:39,417 --> 00:39:40,250 I don't mind if you do smile, because a jury 679 00:39:40,375 --> 00:39:42,500 is going to see that. 680 00:39:42,583 --> 00:39:44,000 - We forgot something very important, too. 681 00:39:44,083 --> 00:39:47,083 The round that was taken out of him was a .32-caliber 682 00:39:47,167 --> 00:39:48,833 with red-tip ammunition. 683 00:39:48,917 --> 00:39:51,333 Guess what we found in your stuff? 684 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,708 A .32-caliber with red-tip ammunition. 685 00:39:54,833 --> 00:39:55,875 Now, listen. 686 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,833 That gun-- that's the same gun that 687 00:39:57,958 --> 00:40:00,375 was used to kill that man. 688 00:40:00,542 --> 00:40:02,583 And that old lady who was married 689 00:40:02,708 --> 00:40:04,708 to this guy for over 50 years has 690 00:40:04,875 --> 00:40:08,167 a right to have some closure to what happened to him. 691 00:40:08,292 --> 00:40:15,833 ♪ ♪ 692 00:40:15,875 --> 00:40:17,500 - I've never tried to kill anyone. 693 00:40:17,542 --> 00:40:19,833 I never will. 694 00:40:20,042 --> 00:40:21,542 - Last chance, because we're going to walk out. 695 00:40:21,625 --> 00:40:23,375 And when we walk out, you don't have 696 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:26,208 another opportunity to tell your side of the story. 697 00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:28,375 ♪ ♪ 698 00:40:32,542 --> 00:40:34,458 - You're not going home, bro. 699 00:40:34,583 --> 00:40:37,667 - Ricky Davison is booked for murder. 700 00:40:37,833 --> 00:40:44,500 ♪ ♪ 701 00:40:44,667 --> 00:40:46,958 The next day... 702 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:49,167 - His prints were on the Gatorade bottle. 703 00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:50,792 - They were? - Are you kidding me? 704 00:40:50,917 --> 00:40:51,792 - No. 705 00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:53,292 - Shut up. 706 00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:54,333 - No, I just got the results back just now. 707 00:40:54,417 --> 00:40:55,875 - The one from the scene? 708 00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:57,583 - Yeah. 709 00:40:57,708 --> 00:40:59,625 I went and got a search warrant for his phone that he had 710 00:40:59,708 --> 00:41:03,250 in his-- on his possession at the time when we arrested him, 711 00:41:03,375 --> 00:41:06,875 and Nathan's going through this. 712 00:41:07,042 --> 00:41:08,667 See anything good? 713 00:41:08,833 --> 00:41:12,792 - On the day of the murder, he tells one person on his phone, 714 00:41:12,875 --> 00:41:15,500 "Did someone that lived by you die?" 715 00:41:15,667 --> 00:41:17,292 "Why do you say that?" 716 00:41:17,417 --> 00:41:20,542 "Because I caught a body." 717 00:41:20,708 --> 00:41:21,750 - Wow. 718 00:41:21,875 --> 00:41:22,833 - That's huge. 719 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,917 ♪ ♪ 720 00:41:33,958 --> 00:41:36,167 - You have some suspects that hold on to their lie. 721 00:41:36,292 --> 00:41:38,500 They feel like regardless of what you present to me, 722 00:41:38,625 --> 00:41:40,333 they still sit there and go, "I wasn't there. 723 00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:41,625 It wasn't me." 724 00:41:41,875 --> 00:41:43,167 But we're still going to end up in the courtroom. 725 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,500 And you're going to have to explain to 12 jurors, 726 00:41:45,667 --> 00:41:47,917 and you're going to have to insult their intelligence to 727 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,917 how all this other evidence can point to you, 728 00:41:50,042 --> 00:41:52,583 and you're saying that you wasn't there. 729 00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:55,917 To have somebody deny their existence somewhere 730 00:41:56,042 --> 00:41:59,125 and to have some evidence that could put them on the scene, 731 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,917 that is a very gratifying feeling for an investigator. 732 00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:09,958 ♪ ♪